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Crud Magazine April 2001

 

There's a saying in Tokyo which warns that 'if a city is finished it begins to die'.It's a statement that you may well read again elsewhere in this feature. It's also a statement that could be just as well applied to records as to cities. The moment they're finished, they're dead. For the artist at least, as the fingers slip confidently from mixing desk to vinyl it's all well and truly over. A betrayal of sorts to the energy that brought it to conception, through it's growth and eventually to it's fruition. It blooms and goes.

 

Santa Sprees are testament to the fact that music is a living thing - always upon the point of completion - always at the middle point of design without any real tangible threat of closure. The lo-fi credulity of artists like Sparklehorse, Daniel Johnston and the Sprees kind of ensures some infinite pleasure. The pawing, unstable hand at the multi-track effectively freezes the imaginative moment of creation and keeps it virile, keeps it fresh. The heaving desperation of a song curling toward release is never betrayed by the definitive mix or the polished sheen of over-production. It remains inexpert but intact. The rich historical context of the song timelessly perpetuated. We are not talking about a moments infancy or of adulthood - but of the infinite possibilities inbetween.Or at the very least - that illusion. 

 

I like to think that the ontology of the sparse demo recording is altogether different to that of the finished article. It's tense is timeless present, continuous, never spent.So if you ever find yourself asking: why didn't these guys spend more by way of production, just think about it for a moment: it was never really necessary.

 

Sprees' musical itinerary of inexpensive catalogue keyboards, electronic mellotrons, 5-stringed guitar, sleigh bells, diamonicas, samplers, distortion pedals, and kazoos first saw light on the now defunct Peacock Window Muzak label in March 1995. The following August, Santa Sprees made 'The Current Mind of....' for the Impakt Festival in Utrecht. This year saw the release of their debut album for pop art-house label Dreamy. There had been Eps and guest-slots before - but nothing quite prepared us for the bright irregular genius of Keep Still, nor for the broad acceptance that was to follow. This is Santa Sprees. Based in Tokyo, registered globally. A story set not so much in stone as in slippery orange jelly:

 

upload://Let's start with the name - Santa Sprees - how did this unusual little nugget come about?

download:// Anthony: 'Santa' out of a love for Phil Spector's 'A Christmas Gift For You' and 'Sprees' because it's one of the most joyous words in the English language, an abandonment of duty and routine that is short-lived....like Christmas itself. The words combine phonetically to sound like the French for 'holy ghost',saint Esprit, which, until a few weeks ago, I thought I'd misheard in a film (Robert Bresson's 'The Devil Probably').

This is Anthony Dolphin and Katherine Marshall. Both halves of Santa Sprees sitting anywhere else but here. We indulge in a coversation that is by and by more the product of modem than of mouth. A cut and paste terminal dialogue, part now, part then, part history, part present. But then history's a funny thing. Just when you think you've got it plotted - it scores a half-truth and continues to evolve. A point and click reality.

 

upload:// Is your case-history a product of divine intervention or the result of something a little more prosaic - or a combination of the two - how did the Sprees actually come about?

Katherine: Probably something more prosaic. Living in London in the mid-90's we bought a cheap keyboaord and messed around with it.

Anthony: We met on a fine art degree. Katherine was doing her masters. She introduced me to to Daniel Johnston and Jad Fair. We started writing and recording songs in London, then carried on in Greece and now Japan.

 

upload:// The term 'lo-fi' seems a little overplayed these days - but there's still something a little mishapen - a little raw about the Keep Still album...and yet arrangement-wise it still has considerable depth. Does under-production still qualify as 'production' of some sort..or do you simply plug in and play?

Anthony: Production is like the grain of a film, its significance is immediate. Anyone can recognise a modern mainstream film at a moment's glance and there's a similar orthodoxy of surface in music. Strangely for such lavish efforts lots of production aspires to fidelity and, supposedly, invisibilty. With the way we work there is more encroachment on the sound, some loss and instability which I like. I know some of the things we do are just plain wrong but we certainly don't just plug in and play. There are lots of active decisions - there's very little reverb or separation, very little bass, lots of treble and distortion - all things which are a disservice to fidelity, and essentially dishonest.

The relative complexity of the arrangements in some of the songs, especially 'Fireworks For Guido' and 'Our Charity', have an overreaching quality that I like - like trying to make a Bavarian gateaux when you should stick to making scones. You're probably right, the gateaux will look misshapen but it'll stand out on the cake stand. I loved the Maher Shalal Hash Baz album last year - limited musicians without a limiting thought heading out into Sun Ra space.

upload:// The Dreamy Label appears to be charting a fair chunk of the Post-Modern landscape in Britain: Kirk Lake, Santa Sprees - would it be fair to say there's something a little more cerebral about your music or Dreamy's music for that matter? (I'm thinking about songs like Alchoholic Gunslingers and the kind of sequential kitsch tv-history images it throws up - why Dean Martin? Just a cool drunken cowboy? Or kitsch idol?)


Anthony: As we haven't lived there for so long you'll have to give us a few directions on what the "post-modern landscape of Britain" might be. I don't know. Pop music is such a realm of dullards that it takes only the faintest semblance of literacy to seem cerebral. There are songs on 'Keep Still' that are lyrically quite dense and perhaps hard to follow at times but what can you do? Footnotes don't work too well in songs. The most frequently aked question about the lyrics on the album is 'Who is Joan Quigley?' ('Old Sage'). She was Nancy Reagan's astrologer.

I would never sacrifice sound for sense. If you want that, write a pamphlet. But lyrics do have an odd, half-lit, unstable kind of power. I'm surprised you mention 'Alcoholic Gunslingers Are Cool' as an exemplar of our cerebral nature - it's probably the dumbest song on the album. There's no distance or irony there, no element of kitsch.It's a celebratory statement: Alcoholic Gunslingers Are Cool and Dean Martin in 'Rio Bravo' is brilliant.

 

Joan Quigley? Dean Martin? Imagine someone like Celine Dion crowbar-ing those kind of references into a song? Of course not. It wouldn't work. Then why in this particular context? A sqaure peg in a round hole. That too sounds kind of dumb, but then so too do the likes of Jabberwocky, Alice In Wonderland, Hey Joe. If words are only references to things, then it's not the words that make things meaningful - it's the references themselves: the object to which these things refer. This sets the criteria for stream of consciousness, word association. So maybe what is cerebral is more the conflation of these references. How one may run into the other to create new meaning, or meanings which in themselves are never stable. Or maybe I don't know what I mean. Maybe I don't know which option may suit me better.

 

upload:// The album title, 'Keep Still' - is there any paranoia in the Santa camp? It certainly suggests to me that there's something to fear - something about to happen. It reminded me of the child-in-the-dark kind of anxiety - there's something out there in the garden....and the album itself seems to draw together these two kind of mutually dismissive ideas: childlike innocence - childlike fear?

Katherine: It's never suggested anything fearful to me - maybe I'm insensitive but it just makes me think about not moving. I like it as a sentence -'Santa Sprees Keep Still' - for whatever reason.

Anthony: Do you mean a kind of 'Night Of The Hunter' thing? Well, the only song on the album about childhood, 'Back There', inverts a line from that film..."there's nothing harder on the world than the little things"....and has an essentially 'children are born evil and learn to be good' theme - all that casual destruction and thoughtless cruelty that kids arecapable of - a kind of pre-civility.

'Petrified' is a long way from any child-like fears, it's about very adult and civil paralysis, a living death. I wrote it when I was working in an office where lots of people in their 30-minute lunchbreak would line up in the company gym on treadmills. If Orwell had written of a scene like that it would have seemed too banal a metaphor.

Why 'Keep Still'? A few reasons, some of them related to the content of the record - that desire to arrest time for a while to look around, to gulp down the present ("I know everybody tells you that the world's bliss can't last/ Might be some truth in that but does it have to go by so fast" - 'Free Inside (Worldes Blis Ne Last)' and "Take a note 'cos someday soon this will have passed" - 'Fireworks For Guido'). And also in the nature of mechanically recording there is ultimately this very primitive and simplistic act of notation, to ineffectually preserve that which is temporal and fleeting, barely more sophisticated an impulse than carving the date in a tree trunk. And, finally I liked the way the words work as an imperative command towards someone excitable: 'Keep Still Santa Sprees'.


upload:// Does Tokyo have much of an effect on the Santa sensibilities? Is Tokyo really that kitsch, electronically processed mediascape it's been presented as being? And how have you manage to find yourself in Tokyo? See much of Cornelius?

Katherine: I think that wherever one lives has an effect, but Tokyo is an extremely good place - the best I've ever lived in. It's difficult to comment on how it differs from its image in the west. Things here feel more temporary, more susceptible to flux, lighter and more joyful somehow. Sounds are peakier (every station has its own jingle, played over tinny speakers while the train doors open and close), most machines (vending machines, lifts, escalators) issue their requests courteously in a bubblegum girl's voice, colours are more acid (you'll never find a deep, tasteful National Trust green) - limes and pinks predominate, walls feel paper-thin and nature has been so zealously tamed that it never feels as if you're outside. We came here for work, and just seem to be staying - it's hard to leave.

Anthony: Yes, it's strange coming back to London now- it seems so heavy and permanenet and filthy. The buildings look like husks, casings which modern commerce squats in like cuckoos. People in the west project on Tokyo a great deal as some kind of future template or imminent consequence, but its really a confluence of quite extraordinary historical circumstance and is unlike any other city in the world or how any other city will turn out. There's a ceaseless novelty, something unfinished and ongoing. There's a saying here which warns that 'if a city is finished it begins to die'.

Haven't seen Cornelius but we go to gigs every week. Saw Fushitsusha on Sunday - a mind-altering 3 hours, incredible. Seen so many great shows, Yumiko Tanaka (just about my favourite musician in the world right now), Shibusashirazu, Otomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Quintet, Thermo, Incapacitants, I.S.O., Merzbow, Michiyo Yagi. It's an amazing city for live music.

upload:// And are we going to see any live music from the actual Sprees this summer?

Anthony: We're going to play some shows in Tokyo, probably in July and maybe some more further afield but we've not sorted anything out yet. Some new songs on the Dreamy compilation which is out, I think, in October. No plans for a single, but Tracy at Dreamy is the person to ask about that. We'd love to do another radio session. We plan on entering a full blown robe- wearing period for our next album, very long spiritual chants about dinosaurs and ghosts.

upload:// Smashing. If there's one piece of advice you could actually give the child in the dark - what would it be?

Anthony: Buy a torch.

 

Katherine: It depends on the child really - is he or she scared of the dark?

 

What better way than to end with a question.

Call Ferdinand, call Miranda, there's an insubstantial pageant here dissolving......

 

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Morley has a mind fine enough and humble enough to have anticipated and theorised his own obsolescence (and taken this to indicate the extinction of all cultural gatekeepers), whereas Everett still fantasises that his opinions inspire hatred. For someone whose views were once widely-read and provoked a reaction, a modest platform and indifference must be hard to bear but this is what the revolution always promised brothers and sisters: an affordable and accessible platform for all, cheap gear to record/broadcast with and a non-canonical pluralism free from the commercial demands du jour. Nothing about veneration or renumeration in there. Nothing about making a career out of it.

Everett True 
Eh? I totally accept my own obsolescence. You shouldn’t let your hatred of me cloud your judgment otherwise you just come across as an untutored prat.

 

'Tis all true except for the fact that The Stone Roses is also an uninspired, insipid, dreary soup of a record laced with the same thick, lyrical banality Bobby G is caned for. My Bloody Valentine were making some exceptional records in 1988 and the KLF, LFO and Aphex Twin made some great recordings later, but as ever, American muisc was killing us in almost every division: Rapeman, Public Enemy, Sonic Youth, EPMD, Pixies....

 

This is an effing great list. Avoids the easy fingering of the vulgar and the crass and the misguided to present the sins of the worthy and the dull and the laboured and the competent and the precious and the adequate and the joyless and the careerist and the quite-talented and the coke-addled and the deluded (not the fun kind of deluded) and in the dread it evokes encapsulates my one and only empirically-durable cultural observation: 99.99% of all cultural production is almost supernaturally dull and meritless – always has been, always will be. Them’s the figures. P.S. I think there is one good song on Debbie Gibson’s ‘Out Of The Blue’.

'Born To Be With You', which Phil Spector lovingly built on a lavish scale for his idol Dion DiMucci, is the Taj Mahal of pop. Aged 16, Dion's voice was like a miraculously cast bell, his singing utterly fearless. Some of the early songs come on like two legions of pop kicking the door in. This album, for all its shimmering front and defiant scale, is autumnally-glazed and cracked, opiated, and contorted with lust. It will stagger and you will swoon.

Dreamy is a London-based label in the ‘independent thinks big’ mould, putting out high quality pop product from the likes of arco, Kirk Lake, Tuesday Weld and Graham. Dreamy has an eye for class and meticulous production values. Big label boss Tracy tells us more.

Could you provide a short history of the label – when/how/why it started, what you were doing before, etc…
Dreamy Records was started in April 1998. I had been managing arco since November of 1997 and still hadn’t been able to get them a record deal to release ‘longsighted’. I hated kissing A&R ass, so I decided to put out the record myself. I asked the band if they minded and they were cool with it – so we put the record out in July. It was an experience. It was hell. The manufacturing troubles that I had… but it was so worth it when John Peel called me to say how much he liked the record! The excitement I got from all the great feedback (real people – not corporate music/money makers) meant that carrying on was a natural thing to do.

Is it hard work running the label? Do you do it full time?
It’s incredibly hard work. I work 30 hours a week (my day job) to support myself and spend the other 22 hours a day devoted to the label and artists in some form or another.

Do you have a ‘grand plan’ for Dreamy? Has it grown or moved in directions you weren’t expecting?
My ‘grand plan’ is really quite simple. I want it to become a business that supports itself and the people contained within. I’m not looking to get rich – just to keep on inspiring and being inspired. Dreamy has grown, but fairly steadily. I’d like to grow a bit more and even a bit faster out of necessity – but I know that it is not really the best way to go for what I want it to be when it grows up – if you see what I mean. Turning into a ‘mindie’ label just wouldn’t suit what we do. It would be wrong. And other than winning the lottery, that seems like the best way to get enough cash to make a difference. I hate money. It sucks.

Any advice for the prospective new label mogul?
Advice? Hmm. I don’t know. Sometimes I think it’s better not to have any input at all. It’s like if you have your own idea – you’ll find your own way. Sometimes it’s pretty cool not to know the rules. When you don’t know the rules you are not bound by them.

Where do you find bands for your releases?
I found arco in a batch of demos that my (then) boyfriend brought home from Rykodisc. We were both anxious to take it to our respective bosses (I was at Blue Rose then) but both bosses weren’t interested. I got in touch anyway. I was sacked from Blue Rose and arco still wanted me to help them. So I did. Graham was a friend of Nick (drummer in arco) and Santa Sprees were friends of Graham’s. It was pretty amazing that there was this common link between them, because although they all sit comfortably together on a compilation record, the styles are completely unique to one another. It amazes me so much because I happen to genuinely love each of these bands independently of each other.
(The Real) Tuesday Weld came to me after Time Out did a story on Dreamy. He just liked the sound of the stuff I was doing and I think he was impressed that I sold my car to pay for a record. When he sent me his CD, he hadn’t even been looking for labels. I loved it instantly. Jamie Owen and Kirk Lake I’ve known for years. I’ve always been a fan of what they were doing and finally I can do something to help them. Ninian Hawick and The Autumn Leaves come from the wonderful Grimsey Records out of Minneapolis. I helped get them out in the UK. I think they are fantastic and I just wanted the records available over here. Oh, and then there’s Izumi Misawa – whom I adore. She is a Japanese percussionist who sings like an angel… we found her demo amongst the same batch we nicked from Rykodisc.

 

Do you have any dream bands who you’d like to put stuff out by?
Well, some of the above don’t have records out yet – but they will! Other dream bands – I don’t know – new, small or unsigned bands that I really love include: Ursula, Kingsbury Manx, Kyoko, Rivulets, James Hindle, Mazarin. I guess my hero is still Elliott Smith.

 

Dreamy bands seem to avoid the egotistical/arrogant/obviously career-driven traits of a lot of ‘indie’ bands around. Is this true?
I guess so. I don’t know. Maybe we are all just of that age when being a pop star isn’t really the goal. I t would be funny if it happened – I’ve certainly dreamed about it… but it’s way more altruistic. It’s all about emotion for me. The bands aren’t egotistical really – but I don’t think they avoid it – they just aren’t.

 

How do you work with bands – is it release by release or do you have longer, more complex contracts?
No contracts – yet! It’s probably not such a bad idea to get a clear understanding on paper with an artist – for both your sakes, but we’re not really at that level yet. My lawyer will tell me otherwise though! Everything is release-by-release – but they all know me and know that I have chosen them and I’m committed to them should they want to do something else with me. If they get offered something else in the meantime – and it’s better – I will respect that, because the bottom line is I want as many people as possible to hear their music. If someone else can make that happen faster or better – then that’s what I want.

 

The packaging and presentation of your releases is obviously a big deal for you.
Yeah, the packaging is SO important to me. I love records, the way they look almost as much as the way they sound. It’s like the lyrics vs. music thing… are you a lyric person or a music person. I am both. And when they both work together – the quality of the experience is that much better!

 

What is your personal list of favourite bands?
Don’t get me started. It’s hard to be that narrow. Aside from Dreamy bands… Elliott Smith, Lisa Germano, Galaxie 500, Throwing Muses, David Bowie (circa Hunky Dory), The Magnetic Fields, Neutral Milk Hotel, Robert Wyatt, Liz Phair, Bright Eyes, Le Mans… and many many more. (I know I’ve missed some real favourites out!)

 

If there was no Dreamy, how would you spend your time?
Well, I have been asking myself this question a lot lately. Just in case, you know? I’ve been thinking about a Plan B – because I’ve never had one. I had a fleeting idea of becoming a yoga instructor – but the truth is that I can probably never go back now. I think Dreamy will always remain, somehow. I don’t know how – but somehow. Life always has a way of working itself out.

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Vanguardia Peruana & Sonidos Contemporáneos 
Interview with Wilder Gonzales Agreda in Peru Avant-Garde 
July 2020

A CONVERSATION WITH SANTA SPREES
Everything Is Still Normal (In Space)

WILDER: Santa Sprees is an Anglo-Japanese project led by Anthony & Kazuko Dolphin. Since 1994 they have been dedicated to breaking the confines of post punk, thanks to truckloads of bubblegum, avant-garde and barbarism. Very far from your classic rehash of everyday music and the capitalist retromania. They collect / elevate the legacy of heroes like SUN RA, PERE UBU and DANIEL JONHNSTON. They recently released "Sum Total Of Insolent Blank", a generous 43-track album, ideal for those moments in our lives when nothing makes sense and you want to shoot yourself with a bullet. As N would say, "only sick music makes money today."

Their biography says that Santa Sprees has been around since 1994. Tell us how the band was born and what sounds they have cultivated since then.

 

ANTHONY: I think the material conditions and limits shaped the emergent aesthetic in a way that is hard to recover now in 2020 when so much is available so easily for so little. I think many of those limits are still important parts of our singularity and what makes a Santa Sprees’ song. I think limits are good for artists. It makes them resourceful. My lack of musical ability and theoretical knowledge is a limitation. Boundless choice sounds good but it slows you down to the point of paralysis.
  

I bought a very cheap, little Casio keyboard from an Argos catalogue shop in Clapham Junction and started recording lots of songs very quickly using the open mic on a cassette radio, then playing the first recording back to a condensed mic on an old ITT cassette tape recorder...and repeated this each time I added a new element. The recordings were covered in hiss and fairly crude but I was quite ambitious in how many parts I added....so, three or more vocal harmonies or layering three organs and so on.

A little later, I bought a microphone and a very basic 4-input mixer from Tandy and then a distortion pedal which I used on vocals and pretty much everything else. I did not know any chords or even which notes were which but I wrote and recorded hundreds of songs. Some cassette labels put out a couple of the early collections and Dreamy Records put some of those recordings on their first compilation and later released our first proper album, ‘Keep Still’ by which time I had left England, first to live in Greece and then Tokyo. ‘Keep Still’ was recorded on an 8-track minidisc portastudio in Japan. It got some very good reviews and some radio play. We recorded two more albums in Japan, which were distributed in a much smaller way. They are all interesting but it is hard for me to assess what they sound like or how the sound has evolved.

I have a triangle in my head with primitive, avant and bubblegum at each point and for me, it is important that a Santa Sprees’ song should fit somewhere within that triangle. I don’t think that has changed much.

 

WILDER: How is London 1994 different from London 2020?


ANTHONY: I haven’t lived in London since 1997 but from visits, I would say it is much richer and infinitely poorer.
 

WILDER: What is your main task when making music?

ANTHONY: The application of aesthetic faculties. 

 

WILDER: Your recent album, "Sum Total of Insolent Blank", is a feat of 43 tracks. Some of short duration. But it sums up sounds like Gang of Four, Pere Ubu or The Pop Group to me.

ANTHONY: It is always interesting the echoes people imagine they hear, it can be a private psychosis. Apart from Pere Ubu (particularly ‘Dub Housing’), the groups you mention are not important to me. One genuine compensation of a lack of musical facility is it is much harder to immitate or replicate an influence. If I had the ability, I am sure I’d try and sound like Duke Ellington playing ‘Lotus Blossom’. The amount and range of music I listen to is vast and has been for years and years...and of course it influences and inspires. In terms of influences, the most important are the ones that give license to do something.....Maher Shalal Hash Baz give me licence to sprawl over 43-tracks....The Residents give me licence to make small, vertical compositions...Harry Partch is the licence to tune my guitar however the fuck I want.....Sun Ra gives you licence to go out there without a plan....the early Daniel Johnston cassettes definitely gave me licence to think what fidelity actually was.   


WILDER: How did you compose this extensive long player?

ANTHONY: The songs start in 4 different ways. Some start as an idea that I want to hear made into music....for example, on ’Progress’ the thought was what happens when you add one new element every bar to a 2-minute song (it ends up as cacophony).

Some songs start as titles that beget little worlds or stories (‘I Met The Man Who Miked The Cows On Malted Milk’, ‘Twelve Imerfect Men’) and usually come quickly. Some start at a piano or organ and the music may or not beget a lyric. And some begin with the guitar. I recorded over a 100 songs and selected and sequenced 43 for the album...some are actually edits.

WILDER: Where did you record it?

ANTHONY: At our home studio in Dartmouth in Devon in the south west of England.
 

WILDER: What instruments, effects or software have you used?

ANTHONY: It’s mostly pretty old Japanese stuff...a Yamaha PSR 530 keyboard, a 1979 5-string Aria Pro II RS guitar with Santa Sprees’ tuning, a Korg EA-1 monophonic synthesizer, a Roland drum kit, bamboo flute, recorder, kazoo, thimb piano, bongos, finger cymbals, melodica, xylophone, sleigh bells....a Zoom 2100 pedal (always st to 2A distorion)... we record on a 16-track Yamaha AW16 G. No software until Audacity at the end to trim and amplify. Does this detail excite you? 

 

WILDER: How is / was a concert of Santa Sprees?

ANTHONY: Monumental and rare. I would be happy to think that we were far from normal.

WILDER: What under bands from the UK do you recommend putting our ear on?


ANTHONY: I find 99.99% of all cultural production utterly worhtless and uninteresting.....’good’ isn’t really enough....I want to hear things that are remarkable, singular or genuinely beautiful and brilliant. You may never recover from this but you would have an unforgettable afternoon pursuing the following: Yeah You, Lucie Peppermint, Girl Sweat, Meatraffle, The Bongoleeros, Sloth Racket, Leoncie, Bob Parks, Dethscalator, Led Bib, Lucy Railton and a few that are a little better known like Sly & The Family Drone, Fat White Family, Micachu & The Shapes and Mica Levi (I’ll send a private playlist). 

Please send us some recommendations from Peru and South America....I love the composers César Bolaños and Nelson Gastaldi.....I like Los Belkings, Fumaça Preta, Julián Carrillo, Los Siquicos Litoraleños, Angel Rada, Alan Courtis, José Vicente Asuar...and Wilder Gonzales Agreda of course...he’s very good!Place...

WILDER: In addition to making post punk no wave records, what other activities do you do?


ANTHONY: I paint and make art. Kazuko makes yubinuki (Japanese thread craft). We used to work, too...until the plague came to town.

WILDER: What is your favorite sound or place?

ANTHONY: Sound...the sound that greets a home goal at Anfield. Place...probably Candy in Inage.

WILDER: Recently John Lydon (Sex Pistols, PIL) showed his support for Donald Trump and various English media have reported the relationship of iconoclasts such as Death In June with people associated with right-wing fascism. Not to mention the accusations thrown in life against Genesis P. Oddridge by Cossey Tutti. What is your perspective on these matters?
 

ANTHONY: Lydon’s a contrarian and can take reactionary positions to get a reaction per need. It is hard to know how sincere he is. Mark E Smith was similar. I have only read reviews of Cosey’s book...but violent misogyny wrapped in the bandage of art theory is still violent misogyny. Like their music, the politics of Death In June are of no consequence or value. 

WILDER: Future plans?

ANTHONY: Start a workers’ co-operative. Start a label for lost, obscured, outsider & out there music. Start the next album.

WILDER: Thanks a lot for the interview, friends. Greetings from North Lima.

ANTHONY: Thank you very much. Is North Lima a very distinctive area? What’s it like? Please come to the UK sometime to perform. 

Interview with Tracy Lee Jackson:  
If anyone had been playing ‘spot the record label boss’ in a small Whitehall pub on a damp March evening, chances are they would have pointed to one of a half-dozen-odd restlessly handsome men clustered in a corner, joking over pints. They would not, however, have likely singled out the petite denim-jacketed girl perched on the edge of the booth; someone’s girlfriend, undoubtedly. Don’t look away quite yet though, watch the dynamic of the lopsidedly mixed group; watch long enough to realize that – far from being some mere tag-along – the effervescent ash-blonde beauty is the undeniable center of attention. Lean in close enough to overhear snatches of conversation, perhaps even an introduction: “I’m Tracy, yeah, I run Dreamy." 


Well, so much for the men, so much for stereotyping… hell, so much for the English. Because not only is Ms. Tracy Lee Jackson a perhaps completely atypical British label chief, she isn’t even British. In fact, she hails from Southern California, via a stop-over in a Las Vegas wedding chapel.

You see, not so many years before she became the guardian of arco – the self-described "world’s quietest band" and a handful of other, equally ethereal, pop acts Tracy Jackson was a Sub-Humans-listening punk rock girl, slinging CDs in a San Diego record store. Then, in one of those fate-must-have-taken-a-hand moments she decided to venture out of both "my little hardcore world" and SoCal, and hop a plane to London. Not with anything particular in mind, just to test the waters, to get a change of scene. 

When asked how her youthful jaunt to London turned into a permanent residence she smiles and shrugs, "well, I had to get married." Later, she explains, "my visa was running out, and one of my friends said, “we’re having too much fun, you can’t leave” so we flew out to Vegas with a bunch of friends and got married." So instead of a one-way trip to California Tracy got a wedding ring, and the legal right to call London home. 

Before Dreamy was so much as a twinkle in Ms. Jackson’s mind, though, she started off working for one of V2’s indie labels, Blue Rose. Among the artists she worked with and promoted was arco, a small willfully wistful band that had never so much as played a live show. As arco frontman Chris Healy recalls, "she got hold of a demo I'd sent somewhere, liked it, noticed I lived in the area too and called me up. I went round to see her… I was a bit overawed to tell you the truth, having never set foot inside any label anywhere, and here was this exotic, wildly fashionable American creature talking enthusiastically in jargon I barely understood." Despite the superficial differences between them – and the radical musical departure that Tracy was making from her punk roots – the laconic Lincolnshire-born musician and the bubbly expatriate hit it off. 

"I realised she was completely genuine, and I felt or hoped she thought I was too"’ Healy recalls. In fact, he had enough faith in her that when she called with bad news arco was ready. Blue Rose was folding, and Tracy had the unenviable task of calling the bands she was working with and telling them she’d lost her job; telling them good-bye, she thought. She insists, modestly, that she was stunned when all three artists – arco, Graham, and Kirk Lake – called her back and invited her to be their manager. Her first task upon accepting their invitation was to get the perennially shy arco on a stage. Tracy doesn’t recall it being much of an effort. In fact, their first show sold out. For Healy, though, playing live was a daunting prospect – several years on he still complains that it makes him feel "cheap." But "somehow her faith gave me the nerve to do it, which was an enormous thing for me" he says.

One obstacle had been hurdled, but there was a whole raft still in store for the Anglo-American alliance. Even after Tracy managed to nudge arco onstage she found little encouragement as she shopped their music around to various record labels. "Arco weren’t bothered" she recalls. "They were just going to keep playing music…[but] it seemed unfair that arco were so good and nobody was going to do anything about it." 

Definitely not one to just sit around and wait for something to happen, Tracy suggested what seemed to be the obvious solution – releasing arco’s music on her own label. With a hefty dose of optimism, and a chunk of borrowed money, they got ready to release Dreamy’s first EP in early 1998. Professional difficulties with getting the records manufactured, combined with the personal upheaval of a divorce, however, conspired to make 1998 "the most traumatic year I’d ever experienced, I woke up every morning wondering “how am I going to get through this?" Tracy admits.

It is hard to imagine the witty, generous, stolidly self-assured Dreamy crew ever being anywhere near despair, but there is a low-key determination – stubbornness even – that offers evidence of trials visited and bested. At any rate, they waded through "all the tragedy" (as Tracy characterizes it) together, and into 1999 when suddenly John Peel was ringing up, and an American journalist (no less!) called arco’s debut EP 'Coming Up' the best record of the year. 

From the original three acts Dreamy has grown to include a diverse group of eight artists, adding Santa Sprees, Tuesday Weld, Lauren Hoffman, Ciaran, and Ninian Hawick to the family. Not surprisingly, Tracy is up to her elbows in everything from "accounting, to listening to demos, to checking the post." The best thing about this hands-on sort of life is, she says, that "I know how everything fits in, I know which puzzle pieces go where." Of course, it is a challenge, running a label with the most limited of resources, handling everything with care. As anyone would, she says, "I’d love to have an office, I’d love for it [Dreamy] to be my only job… for it to be the artists’ only job," she says. Ultimately though, "money isn’t my motivation… it would be a means to an end." 

Settled, sorted, ensconced in a corner booth in a Whitehall pub, Tracy Lee Jackson has lost none of the verve and enthusiasm that fueled the founding of Dreamy. Bantering and downing pints Tracy, along with Graham, the members of arco, and a handful of friends hardly look like a typical entertainment industry posse – because they quite simply are not. This is not the sort of label where conversations revolve around numbers, marketability, or industry politics; they are more likely chatting about work, or their kids, or an upcoming gig.

What is perhaps most telling about Dreamy, and the special symbioses that exists between Tracy Lee Jackson and her artists is that they seem to agree effortlessly on what defines their musical mission. Trying to explain her labour of love, Tracy’s highest compliment for her artists is that, "they aren’t desperate to be popstars… they aren’t 18 and ready to conquer the world… it’s about making music that people love, that makes a difference."

Chris Healy, who has been there since before the beginning, puts it thusly, "the reason Dreamy works is because everyone on it that I've met has had the same overall approach - they're going to do their thing exactly as they want it, in their own time, and they're not going to lose sleep over how many units it sells. What matters is doing it."

And in a world rife with pragmatism, and bottom-line-watching, the firmly-grounded dreamers of Dreamy make a compelling case for following your heart, and believing that money is merely a means to an end. As Dreamy grows one can only hope that they will keep on proving all the stereotypes wrong, and keep on doing things their way. After all, Tracy’s pink-hair-and-safety-pins days may be long gone but, as her spirit of adventure, and refusal to compromise proves, she is definitely still a punk at heart (Cila Warncke).

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